Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/05/2001 01:32 PM Senate HES

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                   SB  11-COMPULSORY SCHOOL AGE                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked Senator Therriault to present SB 11.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GENE THERRIAULT,  sponsor of SB 11, explained that SB 11 was                                                            
requested  by a  public school  principal  in his district.   SB  11                                                            
simply amends  the current statute that says that  every child  must                                                            
begin formal  schooling by  the age of 7.   SB 11 changes  the start                                                            
date from age  7 to age 6.  It does  not impact Section (b)  of that                                                            
statute, which  says the child does not have to be  in public school                                                            
to meet  those  requirements.   A child  could be  home schooled  or                                                            
attend an alternative school.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked if the current statute contains exceptions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT said  the statute contains a long laundry list of                                                            
exceptions.   He  pointed  out that  if  a child  or  family has  an                                                            
emergency situation,  such as an illness, Section  b(8) provides for                                                            
an exemption  granted by the district.   SB 11 will not impact  that                                                            
section.  SB 11 also  provides  for optional kindergarten attendance                                                            
so that a parent  could place a six  year old child in kindergarten                                                             
or first grade.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked if SB  11 has any application  to the  qualifying                                                            
date for entry  to school.  She felt  it is important for  people to                                                            
understand what this bill does not do.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT explained  that when a child turns six, the child                                                            
would have to be enrolled in school.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked what would  happen to a  child who turned  six in                                                            
February.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  said the child would enter school  the following                                                            
school year.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN pointed out  a child must be five by August 15 for entry                                                            
to school in Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR THERRIAULT  explained that the issue he is  trying to get at                                                            
with SB  11 deals with  a small  number of people  who enroll  their                                                            
children  in the public  education system  before  age 7 but  do not                                                            
make the children  attend, since attendance  is not mandatory  until                                                            
age 7.  Teachers must expend  a lot of time and energy to keep those                                                            
children up to speed with  the rest of the class or not advance them                                                            
at  the end  of the  school  year in  the  student's  first year  of                                                            
attendance.  Most  agree there is some stigma associated  with being                                                            
held back.   He believes in providing  some flexibility for  parents                                                            
but once  a child  is enrolled  in first  grade,  the parent  should                                                            
ensure that the child attends regularly.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN said he agrees  with the problem but not with the fix.                                                            
He suggested  making the enrollment  date the mandatory age  so that                                                            
students are  compelled to attend.   He asked Senator Therriault  if                                                            
he considered any other options.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  said he did not  because the number of  children                                                            
who fall into this category  is very small.  He received statistical                                                            
information  that shows  that in 1995,  96 percent  of five  and six                                                            
years of age were  enrolled in formal education, with  the exception                                                            
of children  who are  home schooled.   If home  school students  are                                                            
included,  the percentage  is about 98 percent,  therefore  only two                                                            
out of 100 children fall in this category.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN said he believes  this will only apply to a very small                                                            
number of  people but those  people probably  care about  government                                                            
intervention in  their lives.  He would be more inclined  to support                                                            
a fix that solves the problem without overreaching.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT said  SB 11 does not impact the number of years a                                                            
child must be  in the education system.  It just requires  that when                                                            
one starts, he or she has to stick with it.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  maintained that he does not read the  bill to say one                                                            
has to stick with it once one starts.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  pointed  to line 8,  which reads,  "shall maintain  the                                                            
child  in attendance,  except as  provided  in (b)."   She asked  if                                                            
current statute  requires parents  to have their children  in school                                                            
except for illness or emergency.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THERRIAULT  said  he could  not  speak to  each  district's                                                            
policy.   He said he  tried to draft  the bill  narrowly so  that it                                                            
gets at the issue yet maintains flexibility for parents.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS indicated  that she signed on as a co-sponsor to SB 11                                                            
because  she believes  it  is high  time that  the  State lower  the                                                            
mandatory  age to attend  school.  Most states  require children  to                                                            
attend school  at age 5.  In Alaska,  some students enter  school at                                                            
age 7  without having  attended kindergarten  or  first grade.   She                                                            
said children  mature earlier now  and many do not have parents  who                                                            
will pay for them to attend  preschool and get an early start.  This                                                            
way, those children  would not be left at home and  would be able to                                                            
attend school  because it  would be mandatory.   She said she  would                                                            
prefer to require mandatory school enrollment at age five.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THERRIAULT pointed  out the  fiscal  note is indeterminate                                                             
because the  expected number of students  that SB 11 will  impact is                                                            
very small.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR WARD asked when and why age 7 was put in statute.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLLY  MORRIS,  staff  to  Senator  Therriault,   informed  the                                                            
committee that  the ages 7 to 16 are in the statute  from the Alaska                                                            
Compiled Laws  of the Territory, 1949.   The legislative  librarians                                                            
found  the law  goes  back to  1913.   The  statute has  never  been                                                            
reviewed between then and now.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LOYOLA   MCMANUS,  representing   the  Alaska  Association   of                                                            
Elementary  School  Principals (AAESP),  testified  from  Fairbanks.                                                            
She believes SB 11 addresses  two issues:  children who begin school                                                            
at age 7  are at a disadvantage  because those  children are  one to                                                            
two years behind  his or her peers.   Those children are  at risk of                                                            
being physically,  emotionally and  socially out of sync  with their                                                            
classmates.   Given that  the general practice  in Alaska is  that 6                                                            
year olds are in school,  SB 11 would provide a more appropriate and                                                            
uniform starting  point for all children.   Second, SB 11  addresses                                                            
truancy and enforcement.   At the elementary level, truancy is often                                                            
a family problem.   If a district  wants to use the court  system to                                                            
address school  attendance, it could  not do so for a six  year old.                                                            
This  sends  a message  to  families  that early  education  is  not                                                            
important.  In 1998,  AAESP  passed  a resolution  supporting  early                                                            
childhood  education and  mandatory kindergarten  in Alaska.   AAESP                                                            
feels that  in light of  research on brain  growth and development,                                                             
and longitudinal  studies on early education experiences,  this is a                                                            
desirable goal.   SB 41, by Senator  Davis, addresses that  concern.                                                            
She commended Senators Therriault and Davis for their efforts.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVID PFRIMMER, principal  of North Pole Elementary School, gave                                                            
the following example of  the problem, one student missed 75 days of                                                            
kindergarten  and then  45 or 50 days  of first  grade.  The  school                                                            
district attempted  to withdraw the child but was  unable to because                                                            
the child was  not 7.  The child missed  40 days the following  year                                                            
and at that  time the district was  able to take the case  to court.                                                            
With the  new truancy law  and DFYS intervention,  the district  was                                                            
able to get the  child back to school.  By that time,  the child was                                                            
far behind  academically,  socially,  and emotionally.   He has  met                                                            
children  who started  school  at age  7 who  are one  to two  years                                                            
behind the  rest of their  age group and  must attend kindergarten.                                                             
He  noted  that  students  can  begin  school  in  first  grade  but                                                            
kindergarten  has  become  more  academic  so  first  grade  can  be                                                            
difficult without it.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. OSSIANDER,  Anchorage  School Board, stated  support for  SB 11.                                                            
Education  research shows  the benefit of  early education  and more                                                            
parents are asking for  a full-day kindergarten.  She noted with the                                                            
new move toward  accountability of  schools, grade 3 is a  benchmark                                                            
grade.   Children  who begin  school  at age  7 will have  a lot  of                                                            
catching up to  do.  Children are expected to be reading  at the end                                                            
of first grade.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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MR. VERNON  MARSHALL,  Executive Director  of  NEA-Alaska, said  NEA                                                            
supports SB 11  for many of the reasons stated.  NEA  believes it is                                                            
critical that children  receive educational instruction before age 7                                                            
because they will be expected  to have reached a proficient level of                                                            
reading, writing  and math for the  third grade benchmark  exam.  He                                                            
agrees that most  six year olds are in first grade  programs - SB 11                                                            
will   establish   compulsory   attendance  at   age   six.     That                                                            
standardization makes good  educational sense.  He thought most home                                                            
school parents  are attempting to educate their children  at age six                                                            
anyway.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN asked if state law addresses truancy.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL replied there  is compulsory attendance by law for ages                                                            
7 to 16 and some would  argue that allows for enforcement but Alaska                                                            
does not have aggressive  truancy laws.  In general, the school year                                                            
is  180 to  185 days  but there  is  no minimum  number  of days  of                                                            
attendance for children.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN  asked if  other states  mandate the  number of  days of                                                            
attendance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL said some states do.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said they must have exemptions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL said those laws are very similar to Alaska's law.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR LEMAN  asked Mr.  Marshall to expand  on his statement  that                                                            
most home school  parents are attempting to educate  their children.                                                            
He asked if Mr.  Marshall believes the same is true  of the teachers                                                            
in the NEA or whether he  believes they are actually educating them.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MARSHALL  said one  has  to make  the  attempt to  educate  and                                                            
everyone  is doing that.   Home school parents  have the same  goal.                                                            
Sometimes those attempts are successful, sometimes they are not.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  questioned whether Mr. Marshall was  being pejorative                                                            
about home schooling.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MARSHALL clarified  that  he should  have said  "an  aggressive                                                            
attempt."  NEA  wants students to succeed and will  make the attempt                                                            
to get them over the bars that are now in place.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he believes that most parents  feel the same way                                                            
about their children.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if NEA  has a list of  the age requirements  for                                                            
school attendance in the other states.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL said he could provide that information.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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MR. DARROL  HARGRAVES, Executive Director  of the Alaska  Council of                                                            
School  Administrators,  said the Council  agrees  with most of  the                                                            
arguments  made in favor of  SB 11 today.   He feels the  compulsory                                                            
age should  be lowered to  age 6 because  many states have  detected                                                            
that early education is  important.  He cautioned that an evaluation                                                            
process be  put in place to consider  exceptional children.   School                                                            
districts  have evaluation  processes in place  to examine  children                                                            
emotionally, intellectually,  physically, and socially  to determine                                                            
whether a child  is ready for kindergarten.   Some children  may not                                                            
be able to handle all of  the information they are expected to learn                                                            
by grade 3.  He maintained  that Alaska's compulsory attendance laws                                                            
do  not  have the  teeth  in  them  to make  them  meaningful.    In                                                            
organized areas,  districts can ask  the police for assistance,  but                                                            
many children  in Alaska  are truant.   Compulsory attendance  means                                                            
that a district  has a policy, but districts are unable  to get help                                                            
from the state troopers because they are too busy.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked  if the states with a lower age  requirement have                                                            
a mandatory kindergarten provision.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARGRAVES  said some states made changes in the  1960s and 1970s                                                            
based on  research that  showed that children  are maturing  faster.                                                            
Research on  brain development has  improved.  That is the  argument                                                            
he has heard other states make.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked if those states also mandate kindergarten.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARGRAVES  said he was  not certain.   He said that most  states                                                            
encourage kindergarten attendance.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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MR. EDDY JEANS,  school finance manager  of DOEED, pointed  out that                                                            
AS  14.30.030  says  the  governing   body  of  a school   district,                                                            
including an REAA, shall  establish procedures to prevent and reduce                                                            
truancy.   Therefore each  school district  must set its own  policy                                                            
and procedures.   He believes  the compulsory  education law  has 12                                                            
exemptions  so any parent  who wants to keep  a child out of  school                                                            
will find  a way.  He  felt Senator Therriault's  concern is  valid.                                                            
DOEED funds the students who are enrolled.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GREEN said  she is unresolved on this issue.   She pointed out                                                            
that  when  SB 98  was  before the  legislature  in  1995-1996,  the                                                            
legislature attempted to  tie school attendance to public assistance                                                            
but it  could not be  done.  She  asked Senator  Therriault  to work                                                            
with Senator  Leman  on a resolution  to the  problem and  announced                                                            
that SB  11 will be  held over.   She announced  that the  committee                                                            
will hear SB 40 and SB  64 on Wednesday and it will take up the exit                                                            
exam the  following week.   She then adjourned  the meeting  at 3:15                                                            
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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